Re: [Docutils-develop] Re: LaTeX/PDF critique

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, David Goodger wrote:

> [David]
> >> * Shouldn't literal blocks be indented, or have some kind of
> >>   decoration (solid left margin, etc.)?  I think relying on the
> >>   typeface is too subtle; indentation helps distinguish literal
> >>   blocks from the surrounding text.  Inline literals look fine the
> >>   way they are.
>
> [Engelbert]
> > donot talk about intendation (see test.txt line_block) latex
> > is sovereign over space vertical and horicontal.
>
> If that's true, then LaTeX is forcing you to mis-format your document.
> Perhaps the literal block (or verbatim or whatever) primitive doesn't
> support indentation.  In that case, put it inside a block quote that
> *does* allow indentation.

david currently i am happy that this and the address docinfo does
correct linebreak. this is done inside encode (which does more and more,
and could you have a quick glance at it, if you could think of
another way to do it).

> I treat HTML as a set of primitives.  I try to keep the generated HTML
> documents "clean", but only where practical.  Don't try to create
> pristine TeX output if it's just that: output.  Sometimes faking it is
> OK.

then latex might be not optimal, latex is made to enforce layout rules
that the users never thought of (IMHO)
maybe another possibility would beto use tex not latex, but not for now.

> >> * The "dedication" and "abstract" bibliographic fields get
> >>   transformed to "topic" elements, specifically <topic
> >>   class="dedication"> and <topic class="abstract"> in the internal
> >>   doctree.  Topic should be rendered like sections (i.e., title
> >>   above the body), only indented or otherwise set off from the rest
> >>   of the document.  See
> >>   http://docutils.sf.net/spec/doctree.html#topic .
> >
> > i know: latex has an abstract environment and thanks (a footnote to
> > the document title), but as described earlier, i am not sure about
> > the direction.
>
> I don't follow.

\begin{abstract}
this and that
\end{abstract}

is the way to add an abstract in latex, which then puts it in correct
place.

> > we use pagenumbering from latex and section numbering from docutils
> > (docutils has sectionnumbering because html does not have it, but
> > docutils uses <ol> numbering from html).
>
> What does this have to do with anything?

the html writer generates the section numbering, but does not
generate the ol-numbering.

in latex the writer could allow latex to generate section and
ol-numbering.

> >> * Why does the "figure" (section 2.14.2) appear at the very end of
> >>   the document?  I could understand it floating to the top or
> >>   bottom of the page it appears on, but it moves too far.
> >
> > latex figures are moveable (as are tables, what should it do if it
> > does not fit on this page) therefore a reference to a figure says
> > "see fig.132" and there is a "list of figures".
>
> But there's no reason for a figure to move all the way to the end of
> the document.  Could it be because the image is so large?  (IIRC,
> TeX's algorithm for things too big to put on a page is to try them on
> the next page, but if the thing is too large for *any* page,
> degenerate cases may result.)

you described it correct i guess.

> >> [DG] Please feel free to take this list and incorporat it in your
> >> To-Do
> >
> > [EG] feel free to do it yourself :-) my sandbox has no fence.
>
> [DG] Just a suggestion, take it or leave it as you like.  I've got
> plenty on *my* To-Do list, thanks.

i meant you could put it into my todo, not you should fix it.

although if you find some time to make a code review this could help
both of us, because you also are writing a writer. if you do review
just make comments like # BUG or so.

cheers

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engelbert gruber
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