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From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2006-02-10 17:10:21
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Ok, this has been solved on the latest version of the source code. Stay tuned for the next official release. =20 Henri =20 _____ =20 From: Henri Herscher [mailto:he...@or...]=20 Sent: 08 February 2006 16:43 To: 'Lars J=F8rgensen IT'; 'ore...@li...' Subject: RE: [Oreka-user] Only recording half the conversation. =20 Hi Lars, =20 Not sure what is happening. The log looks fine. It could be an RTP port number problem. Would it be possible for you to send an etheral capture = of a test call taken on the same box as oreka ? =20 Henri =20 _____ =20 From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of Lars = J=F8rgensen IT Sent: 08 February 2006 15:54 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] Only recording half the conversation. =20 Hi. =20 Installed OrkAudio on Debian Unstable and it appears to work fine, = except that I only get half the conversation recorded. When I call somebody in = the office, the recording has his voice but not mine. =20 This is the output from OrkAudio's debug: =20 2006-02-08 20:37:37,760 INFO root:87 - Loaded plugin: = /usr/lib/libvoip.so 2006-02-08 20:37:37,762 INFO packet:441 - Initializing VoIP plugin 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:479 - Available pcap devices: 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:483 - * eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,803 INFO packet:483 - * Pseudo-device that captures on all interfaces any 2006-02-08 20:37:37,804 INFO packet:483 - * lo 2006-02-08 20:37:37,807 INFO packet:515 - successfully opened device: = eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,808 INFO packet:531 - Running VoIp.dll 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 DEBUG rtpsession:60 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Skinny Session start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 INFO port:163 - #172.22.4.15,18900: start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,940 INFO reporting:63 - type=3Dtape stage=3Dstart captureport=3D172.22.4.15,18900 timestamp=3D1139431069 filename=3D2006/02/08/21/20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 = localparty=3D70002 localentrypoint=3D remoteparty=3D1314 direction=3Dout duration=3D0 service=3Dorkaudio-vomit 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 DEBUG rtpsession:49 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Session = stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 INFO port:179 - #172.22.4.15,18900: stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO tapelist:215 - date=3D2006-02-08_21-37-49 duration=3D2 direction=3Dout capturePort=3D172.22.4.15,18900 = localParty=3D70002 remoteParty=3D1314 localEntryPoint=3D 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO batchProcessing:71 - Th0 processing: 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 2006-02-08 20:37:51,794 INFO batchProcessing:105 - Th0 deleting native: 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 This is my configuration file: =20 <config> <!-- This is an example configuration file for the Oreka orkaudio = capture service on Linux --> <!-- Copy this to config.xml and modify according to taste --> =20 <AudioOutputPath>/var/log/orkaudio</AudioOutputPath> =20 <TrackerHostname>localhost</TrackerHostname> <EnableReporting>true</EnableReporting> <ClientTimeout>1000</ClientTimeout> =20 <!-- Use the following if oreka has been installed (having run = "make install") --> <CapturePluginPath>/usr/lib</CapturePluginPath> <CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin> <!-- Use the following if you run oreka uninstalled (without = having run "make install") - =20 <!--<CapturePluginPath>audiocaptureplugins/voip/.libs</CapturePluginPath>= --> <!--<CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin>--> =20 <StorageAudioFormat>gsm</StorageAudioFormat> <NumBatchThreads>1</NumBatchThreads> <DeleteNativeFile>yes</DeleteNativeFile> <AudioSegmentation>false</AudioSegmentation> <AudioSegmentDuration>10</AudioSegmentDuration> <VoIpPlugin> <Device>eth0</Device> <LanMasks>172.22.0.0, 172.18.12.0, 172.31.0.0</LanMasks> <!--<MediaGateways>10.0.0.102</MediaGateways>--> </VoIpPlugin> <GeneratorPlugin> <NumConcurrentPorts>20</NumConcurrentPorts> <AudioDuration>5</AudioDuration> <AudioFilename>sine.8KHz.pcm.wav</AudioFileName> </GeneratorPlugin> </config> =20 |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2006-02-08 21:42:59
|
Hi Lars, =20 Not sure what is happening. The log looks fine. It could be an RTP port number problem. Would it be possible for you to send an etheral capture = of a test call taken on the same box as oreka ? =20 Henri =20 _____ =20 From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of Lars = J=F8rgensen IT Sent: 08 February 2006 15:54 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] Only recording half the conversation. =20 Hi. =20 Installed OrkAudio on Debian Unstable and it appears to work fine, = except that I only get half the conversation recorded. When I call somebody in = the office, the recording has his voice but not mine. =20 This is the output from OrkAudio's debug: =20 2006-02-08 20:37:37,760 INFO root:87 - Loaded plugin: = /usr/lib/libvoip.so 2006-02-08 20:37:37,762 INFO packet:441 - Initializing VoIP plugin 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:479 - Available pcap devices: 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:483 - * eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,803 INFO packet:483 - * Pseudo-device that captures on all interfaces any 2006-02-08 20:37:37,804 INFO packet:483 - * lo 2006-02-08 20:37:37,807 INFO packet:515 - successfully opened device: = eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,808 INFO packet:531 - Running VoIp.dll 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 DEBUG rtpsession:60 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Skinny Session start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 INFO port:163 - #172.22.4.15,18900: start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,940 INFO reporting:63 - type=3Dtape stage=3Dstart captureport=3D172.22.4.15,18900 timestamp=3D1139431069 filename=3D2006/02/08/21/20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 = localparty=3D70002 localentrypoint=3D remoteparty=3D1314 direction=3Dout duration=3D0 service=3Dorkaudio-vomit 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 DEBUG rtpsession:49 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Session = stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 INFO port:179 - #172.22.4.15,18900: stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO tapelist:215 - date=3D2006-02-08_21-37-49 duration=3D2 direction=3Dout capturePort=3D172.22.4.15,18900 = localParty=3D70002 remoteParty=3D1314 localEntryPoint=3D 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO batchProcessing:71 - Th0 processing: 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 2006-02-08 20:37:51,794 INFO batchProcessing:105 - Th0 deleting native: 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 This is my configuration file: =20 <config> <!-- This is an example configuration file for the Oreka orkaudio = capture service on Linux --> <!-- Copy this to config.xml and modify according to taste --> =20 <AudioOutputPath>/var/log/orkaudio</AudioOutputPath> =20 <TrackerHostname>localhost</TrackerHostname> <EnableReporting>true</EnableReporting> <ClientTimeout>1000</ClientTimeout> =20 <!-- Use the following if oreka has been installed (having run = "make install") --> <CapturePluginPath>/usr/lib</CapturePluginPath> <CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin> <!-- Use the following if you run oreka uninstalled (without = having run "make install") - =20 <!--<CapturePluginPath>audiocaptureplugins/voip/.libs</CapturePluginPath>= --> <!--<CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin>--> =20 <StorageAudioFormat>gsm</StorageAudioFormat> <NumBatchThreads>1</NumBatchThreads> <DeleteNativeFile>yes</DeleteNativeFile> <AudioSegmentation>false</AudioSegmentation> <AudioSegmentDuration>10</AudioSegmentDuration> <VoIpPlugin> <Device>eth0</Device> <LanMasks>172.22.0.0, 172.18.12.0, 172.31.0.0</LanMasks> <!--<MediaGateways>10.0.0.102</MediaGateways>--> </VoIpPlugin> <GeneratorPlugin> <NumConcurrentPorts>20</NumConcurrentPorts> <AudioDuration>5</AudioDuration> <AudioFilename>sine.8KHz.pcm.wav</AudioFileName> </GeneratorPlugin> </config> =20 |
From: <Lar...@jp...> - 2006-02-08 20:53:51
|
Hi. =20 Installed OrkAudio on Debian Unstable and it appears to work fine, = except that I only get half the conversation recorded. When I call = somebody in the office, the recording has his voice but not mine. =20 This is the output from OrkAudio's debug: =20 2006-02-08 20:37:37,760 INFO root:87 - Loaded plugin: = /usr/lib/libvoip.so 2006-02-08 20:37:37,762 INFO packet:441 - Initializing VoIP plugin 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:479 - Available pcap devices: 2006-02-08 20:37:37,802 INFO packet:483 - * eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,803 INFO packet:483 - * Pseudo-device that = captures on all interfaces any 2006-02-08 20:37:37,804 INFO packet:483 - * lo 2006-02-08 20:37:37,807 INFO packet:515 - successfully opened device: = eth0 2006-02-08 20:37:37,808 INFO packet:531 - Running VoIp.dll 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 DEBUG rtpsession:60 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Skinny = Session start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,939 INFO port:163 - #172.22.4.15,18900: start 2006-02-08 20:37:49,940 INFO reporting:63 - type=3Dtape stage=3Dstart = captureport=3D172.22.4.15,18900 timestamp=3D1139431069 = filename=3D2006/02/08/21/20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 = localparty=3D70002 localentrypoint=3D remoteparty=3D1314 direction=3Dout = duration=3D0 service=3Dorkaudio-vomit 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 DEBUG rtpsession:49 - 172.22.4.15,18900 Session = stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,771 INFO port:179 - #172.22.4.15,18900: stop 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO tapelist:215 - date=3D2006-02-08_21-37-49 = duration=3D2 direction=3Dout capturePort=3D172.22.4.15,18900 = localParty=3D70002 remoteParty=3D1314 localEntryPoint=3D 2006-02-08 20:37:51,772 INFO batchProcessing:71 - Th0 processing: = 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 2006-02-08 20:37:51,794 INFO batchProcessing:105 - Th0 deleting native: = 20060208_213749_172.22.4.15,18900 This is my configuration file: =20 <config> <!-- This is an example configuration file for the Oreka orkaudio = capture service on Linux --> <!-- Copy this to config.xml and modify according to taste --> =20 <AudioOutputPath>/var/log/orkaudio</AudioOutputPath> =20 <TrackerHostname>localhost</TrackerHostname> <EnableReporting>true</EnableReporting> <ClientTimeout>1000</ClientTimeout> =20 <!-- Use the following if oreka has been installed (having run = "make install") --> <CapturePluginPath>/usr/lib</CapturePluginPath> <CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin> <!-- Use the following if you run oreka uninstalled (without = having run "make install") - = <!--<CapturePluginPath>audiocaptureplugins/voip/.libs</CapturePluginPath>= --> <!--<CapturePlugin>libvoip.so</CapturePlugin>--> =20 <StorageAudioFormat>gsm</StorageAudioFormat> <NumBatchThreads>1</NumBatchThreads> <DeleteNativeFile>yes</DeleteNativeFile> <AudioSegmentation>false</AudioSegmentation> <AudioSegmentDuration>10</AudioSegmentDuration> <VoIpPlugin> <Device>eth0</Device> <LanMasks>172.22.0.0, 172.18.12.0, 172.31.0.0</LanMasks> <!--<MediaGateways>10.0.0.102</MediaGateways>--> </VoIpPlugin> <GeneratorPlugin> <NumConcurrentPorts>20</NumConcurrentPorts> <AudioDuration>5</AudioDuration> <AudioFilename>sine.8KHz.pcm.wav</AudioFileName> </GeneratorPlugin> </config> =20 |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2006-01-16 19:11:42
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Hi Austin, The way it works is that OrkAudio ships metadata to OrkTrack who does the job of logging the calls. This is so that it should be possible to run multiple instances of OrkAudio on different machines and have them all report to the same instance of OrkTrack. Most likely, all you need to do is to enable reporting in the OrkAudio config file (config.xml) as such: <EnableReporting>true</EnableReporting> Let us know if you still don't see anything logged to MySQL (you also need to make sure you have deployed OrkTrack to your Tomcat as described in the documentation). Cheers Henri _____ From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of austin austin Sent: 16 January 2006 03:42 To: ore...@li...; aus...@ya... Subject: [Oreka-user] Does orkaudio/orktrack automatically log call recording details to the MySQL database? hi henri, ive managed to get orkaudio to record sip calls and save the .wav files in the directory: <ORKAUDIO_HOME>/audiorecordings ...on my winXP installation. ive also completed orktrack and orkweb's build and i now have orkweb up and running on my local tomcat installation and accessible on my browser. my local mysql database has also been populated with dummy data from the FillDatabase java application included in the test package. after i made sip calls and verified that orkaudio had indeed recorded the call and saved the recordings in two .wav files (one .wav named for each of the calling and called ip's), i checked orkweb and mysql for entries for that call but found none. is orkaudio/orktrack supposed to log call recordings on the mysql database?and are entries for the call recordi ng supposed to show up on orkweb? so far the details of new call recordings arent logged onto the database, neither do they show up on my orkweb. am i missing something on any configuration file somewhere? thanks and best regards, austin _____ Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/photobooks/*http:/pa.yahoo.com/*htt p:/us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/photos/evt=38088/*http:/pg.photos.yahoo. com/ph/page?.file=photobook_splash.html> Books. You design it and we'll bind it! |
From: austin a. <aus...@ya...> - 2006-01-16 08:42:05
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hi henri, ive managed to get orkaudio to record sip calls and save the .wav files in the directory: <ORKAUDIO_HOME>/audiorecordings ...on my winXP installation. ive also completed orktrack and orkweb's build and i now have orkweb up and running on my local tomcat installation and accessible on my browser. my local mysql database has also been populated with dummy data from the FillDatabase java application included in the test package. after i made sip calls and verified that orkaudio had indeed recorded the call and saved the recordings in two .wav files (one .wav named for each of the calling and called ip's), i checked orkweb and mysql for entries for that call but found none. is orkaudio/orktrack supposed to log call recordings on the mysql database?and are entries for the call recording supposed to show up on orkweb? so far the details of new call recordings arent logged onto the database, neither do they show up on my orkweb. am i missing something on any configuration file somewhere? thanks and best regards, austin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! |
From: austin a. <aus...@ya...> - 2006-01-16 03:28:56
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hi henri, ive managed to get orkaudio to record sip calls and save the .wav files in the directory <ORKAUDIO_HOME>/audiorecordings ...on my winXP installation. ive also completed orktrack and orkweb's build and i now have orkweb up and running on my local tomcat installation and accessible on my browser. my local mysql database has also been populated with dummy data from the FillDatabase java application included in the test package. after i made sip calls and verified that orkaudio has indeed recorded the call and saved the recording in two .wav files (one .wav named for each of the calling and called ip's), i checked orkweb and mysql for entries for that call but found none. is orkaudio/orktrack supposed to log call recordings on the mysql database?and are entries for the call recording supposed to show up on orkweb? so far the details of new call recordings arent logged onto the database, neither do they show up on my orkweb. am i missing something on any configuration file somewhere? thanks and best regards, austin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2006-01-10 19:07:36
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Hi Mike, So far oreka has been tested on Cisco Call Manager and asterisk (chan_sip and berlios chan_sccp) platforms. I do not expect any particular problems with other PBXs as RTP as a standard has nothing complicated about it. Metadata extraction on SIP and SCCP control messages is simple enough that it should work well on other systems. If you are testing it against another platform, let this mailing list know your experience. Cheers Henri _____ From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of Mike Ashton Sent: 10 January 2006 13:57 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] Contact and PBX implementations Henri, I tried sending emails to a few email accounts at @orecx.com <mailto:co...@or...> and they all bounced. I would like to get further information on the Oreka system, specifically which PBXs this has been implemented with. Mike |
From: Mike A. <Ma...@4A...> - 2006-01-10 18:57:39
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Henri, I tried sending emails to a few email accounts at @orecx.com <mailto:co...@or...> and they all bounced. I would like to get further information on the Oreka system, specifically which PBXs this has been implemented with. Mike |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2006-01-04 15:30:49
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Hi Gabriel, In order to activate audio recording from sound cards, all you need to = do is to comment out the VoIP and Generator plugins and to uncomment the SoundDevice plugin such as the following: <!--<CapturePlugin>VoIP.dll</CapturePlugin>--> <!--<CapturePlugin>Generator.dll</CapturePlugin>--> <CapturePlugin>SoundDevice.dll</CapturePlugin> Then, you have to choose if you want to do recording on a "voice = activated" basis (i.e signal power triggered) or on a permanent basis with = segmented storage. For segmented recording, just use the following parameters: <AudioSegmentation>true</AudioSegmentation> <AudioSegmentDuration>10</AudioSegmentDuration> Which will record to 10 seconds audio files all the time. For "Voice activated", use the following parameters: <VAD>true<VAD> <VadHighThresholdDb>-12.2<VadHighThresholdDb> <VadLowThresholdDb>-12.5<VadLowThresholdDb> <VadHoldOnSec>4<VadHoldOnSec> I'm currently looking into using a "real" voice activity detection = system rather than hardcoded levels. I have attached an example config.xml. If it still does not work, could you please send me the output of your orkaudio.log when the service starts up ? =20 Thanks Henri -----Original Message----- From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of Gabriel = J.L. Beckers Sent: 04 January 2006 10:21 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] capturing sound from windows soundcard A question about capturing a stream from the soundcard in windows: how = to do it? I installed oreka; it works in the sense that I get the generator pcm = files if I set the capture pluggin to "Generator.dll". But I get no files when I = set it to "SoundDevice.ddl". How do I actually start and stop capturing from the soundcard? OrkAudio is running as a service on Windows XP. Thanks, Gabriel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log = files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id=16865&op=3Dick _______________________________________________ Oreka-user mailing list Ore...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oreka-user |
From: Gabriel J.L. B. <be...@or...> - 2006-01-04 15:21:00
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A question about capturing a stream from the soundcard in windows: how to= do it? I installed oreka; it works in the sense that I get the generator pcm fil= es if I set the capture pluggin to "Generator.dll". But I get no files when I set= it to "SoundDevice.ddl". How do I actually start and stop capturing from the soundcard? OrkAudio is running as a service on Windows XP. Thanks, Gabriel |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2005-12-08 17:42:56
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Hi Joerg, I have now completed this feature. It is possible to set the sampling rate of the SoundDevice plugin by adding the following in the config.xml file: <SoundDevicePlugin> <SampleRate>44100</SampleRate> </SoundDevicePlugin> I have also attached a reference config.xml. I have just commited this to CVS and I should be releasing a new "official" 0.4 version soon. Cheers Henri -----Original Message----- From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of Henri Herscher Sent: 06 December 2005 11:56 To: hil...@jh...; ore...@li... Subject: RE: [Oreka-user] Orkaudio sampling rate Hi Joerg, Funny, I'm just working at this very feature. You cannot see it yet in CVS but it'll be available probably tomorrow. I'll reply to the list when it is ready with instructions how to do this. Henri -----Original Message----- From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of hil...@jh... Sent: 06 December 2005 05:44 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] Orkaudio sampling rate When I start orkaudio, the pcm files generated by sounddevice.dll have a sampling rate of 8 kHz. This is not a good sampling rate to get high quality results. Is there a way to change the configuration (e.g. in config.xml) to increase this sampling rate say to 44100 Hz? I would be very grateful for any advice! With kindest regards Joerg Hillebrand ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click _______________________________________________ Oreka-user mailing list Ore...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oreka-user ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click _______________________________________________ Oreka-user mailing list Ore...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oreka-user |
From: Henri H. <he...@or...> - 2005-12-06 16:55:50
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Hi Joerg, Funny, I'm just working at this very feature. You cannot see it yet in CVS but it'll be available probably tomorrow. I'll reply to the list when it is ready with instructions how to do this. Henri -----Original Message----- From: ore...@li... [mailto:ore...@li...] On Behalf Of hil...@jh... Sent: 06 December 2005 05:44 To: ore...@li... Subject: [Oreka-user] Orkaudio sampling rate When I start orkaudio, the pcm files generated by sounddevice.dll have a sampling rate of 8 kHz. This is not a good sampling rate to get high quality results. Is there a way to change the configuration (e.g. in config.xml) to increase this sampling rate say to 44100 Hz? I would be very grateful for any advice! With kindest regards Joerg Hillebrand ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click _______________________________________________ Oreka-user mailing list Ore...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oreka-user |
From: <hil...@jh...> - 2005-12-06 10:47:12
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When I start orkaudio, the pcm files generated by sounddevice.dll have a sampling rate of 8 kHz. This is not a good sampling rate to get high quality results. Is there a way to change the configuration (e.g. in config.xml) to increase this sampling rate say to 44100 Hz? I would be very grateful for any advice! With kindest regards Joerg Hillebrand |
From: <hil...@jh...> - 2005-12-03 20:18:45
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Could you, please, send me a config file that enables capturing sound on my sound device? This does not work with me and I do not know what I do wrong. Orkaudio just does not capture the sound from my sound card. I run Windows XP on my computer. Could you, please, help me? Thank you very much in advance! With kindest regards Joerg Hillebrand |
From: <he...@or...> - 2005-10-24 17:49:57
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