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To all TUTOS users & developers,

TUTOS is simply the most advanced GPL groupware/intranet/project manager
available now.

With such a project, we are all receiving a lot more than we are
contributing. As for most rules, there are exceptions. Our exception is
Gero Kohnert. An exceptional developer leading an exceptional project,
Gero has almost single handedly kept TUTOS amongst the most active
projects on Sourceforge.

During the last three months, Gero has contributed 85% of the commits.
Gero Kohnert (632), Markus Leist (73), Dimitri Fontaine (20), Sergiusz
Pawlowicz (8), Jeroen Baten (7), Serget Korotkov (7) for a total of 747
commits to CVS.

TUTOS is already best of class and still more work is underway on
version 1.1.  Let's make TUTOS an even greater success story of open
source software.

I know at this point you are thinking: "What a great project. I want to
contribute! What can you do?"

Fear not, the answer is near.

1- Spread the love. Go to hotscripts.com and vote "Excellent".
http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/6868.html
You can also submit a short review.


2- Install the cvs and Hunt some bugs for 1.1
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=8047&atid=108047
Please choose "CVS pre release"
You may also play test the 1.1 cvs demo version: 
http://www.tutos.org/devel/


3- Get a hot drink, write some code and contribute here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=308047&group_id=8047


4- Create a new template with some cool icons.
Any artist types out there?


5- Part with some hard (or easily) earned dough via PayPal.
Please find the "Donate" button on the bottom of the left menu.


If you don't have enough time or the expertise to contribute code,
chances are you can contribute financially to the project. If you are
using Tutos for a successful business, please consider all the staff
time & money you are saving with such a great tool.

Maybe if all the users/organizations contributed a small portion of what
they are making/saving, we could convince Gero to quit his day job and
focus full-time on Tutos!!

I'm sure we've all got a few ideas to keep Gero busy for a loooong time!

Best wishes for the holidays,

Marc Laporte

Hello,

All here on the list, many seasons greetings. Let's hope that 2003 will be an 
even better year for TUTOS (and world peace :-) than 2002 was.

kind regards,

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  Hi! Does anyone have overlib working with opera? (linux) I use version
6.1.

  Tkx


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>
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#access-keys
>>
> >What do people think of this one?  I believe that this could be good
> >functionality to have.
>
>How does it work with browsers ? I think Most keys are already occupied by
>some functions.

With a Windows PC I think that you use the ALT key and the key specified.
If you go to www.php.net and key Alt-S your cursor will jump to the search
box.  If you put a label on link when you use the key it will follow the
link.
>
>> I'm not asking for someone else to do this, but could someone point out
>> where the menu entries are created I could look into it.
>
>Menuentries are generated in the layout engine tutos/php/layout/* (new in
1.1)
>Look for menulink and addmenu

Time to CVS again and have a look thanks.

Hugh
>
>Gero

On Tuesday 17 December 2002 14:19, Hugh Blandford wrote:
>
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#access-keys
>
> What do people think of this one?  I believe that this could be good
> functionality to have.

How does it work with browsers ? I think Most keys are already occupied b=
y=20
some functions.

> I'm not asking for someone else to do this, but could someone point out
> where the menu entries are created I could look into it.

Menuentries are generated in the layout engine tutos/php/layout/* (new in=
 1.1)
Look for menulink and addmenu

Gero
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                              http://www.tutos.org

Hi all,

while browsing the PHP site I came across a way in the HTML standard called
Access Keys, that will allow you to use keystrokes to access links or bring
up a search box etc.  It pointed to the following:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#access-keys

What do people think of this one?  I believe that this could be good
functionality to have.

I'm not asking for someone else to do this, but could someone point out
where the menu entries are created I could look into it.

Thanks,

Hugh

Op maandag 16 december 2002 09:44, schreef Gero Kohnert:
> Good morning,
>
> > When should we expect a release including the new layout engine?
>
> If it is ready :-)
>
> I will release the new 1.1 stuff if I'm sure that there are no major
> problems. This will require a intensive testing by a lot of users.
> Everybody is invited to checkout the latest CVS release and test it.
> For those who are not willing to try it on their own system a online demo
> is available here: http://www.tutos.org/devel/php
>
> As soon as I'm happy with the codebase I will make a beta release and some
> time later a official one.
> The reason for this more restrictive testing is simple:
> I'm currenlty the only one who is making support and bugfixing in TUTOS,
> and I does not have enough time and not willing to support a
> unfinsihed/untested software. Does this sound a little bit frustrated ?
> Yes ! I'm a bit disappointed with the userbase of TUTOS. Everybody is
> crying for help  support features but nobody besides me is willing to help
> or support. Is TUTOS too complicated andI'm the only one who understands
> who things are working ? Does nobody understand the principles of OSS ?
>
> So please help to make TUTOS more succesful !
>
> Gero

Dear Gero and list,

I am sorry you feel this way and I do think I am partly to blame. I am 
currently extremely occupied with the LPI 2 book and I spent all waking hours 
a day writing.  Offcourse you can count on me to at least do the 1.1 
documents and I will try to make the document merging working using fop and 
xsl-fo. I just hope that you are not planning the 1.1 release anytime soon 
:-)

kind regards,

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Liebe Markus

Bitte, wenn mochtest du an deutsch schreiben, bitte, schereibt wieder in
english, wenn do kannst.

Welt weit habt leute lesen dises mail-list und ganz wenige leute
versteht deutsch, und habt viele leut, so wie ich, ganz deutsch
verdeber, ich kann nicht gut schreiben und verstet nur ein bisshen (so
wie kannst du claar sehen)...





> >
> Hallo Gero,
> 
> nun gegen Jahresende ist immer viel zu tun, dennoch würde ich Dich
> bitten, einen Testplan in die Mailingliste zu posten, wo man sich
> verschiedene Teile rauspicken kann - einzelne Module zum Beispiel.
> Gerne helfe ich dann.
> 
> Vielleicht hast Du etwas derartiges ja schon geschrieben und ich habe
> es hier einfach gegen /dev/null kopiert, dann schick mir doch einfach
> die URL und entschulige meine Unaufmerksamkeit ;-).
> 
> Falls wir uns nicht mehr "lesen", wünsche ich Dir ein paar schöne
> Weihnachtstage und ein gesundes Jahr 2003.
> 
> Markus
> 
> ps. dann mach ich jetzt erst mal ein "cvs update" im Testzweig.

> I was unaware of (and I am very happy to discover) the CVS demo. I am

There was no announcement. I installed it last weekend.

> subscribed to all lists but must have missed the announcement. This is a

> -New layout (disabled in Demo)

add a "&ly=test_layout" or "?ly=test_layout" to some url on the demo
server and you can see the test_layout for the same page
I thought this would work using the user modify dialog but for some reason
it wont do as expected. Meanwhile please use above workaround.

> -Palm work in CVS (I can't find in demo)

This will come when I have time to install the addtional softwre on
sourceforge

> To do some serious testing, my team & I will install the CVS on our
> server. How often is the demo site updated from the CVS?

Good Idea. Feedback is needed !!!

Gero


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Dear Gero,

I'm sorry to hear you feel this way. Tutos IS successful and is simply
the best in its class!

I was unaware of (and I am very happy to discover) the CVS demo. I am
subscribed to all lists but must have missed the announcement. This is a
great idea!! By seeing the feature in Beta, we will be encouraged to
contribute/patch code!!

I see some very interesting features which deserve to be brought in the
next official release:

-Document merging
-Checklist
-New layout (disabled in Demo)
-Make working copy
-Appointment (check participants availability)
-Description field of Role-person in project
-Mail to team (for projects)
-History of last visited objects
-Palm work in CVS (I can't find in demo)

I commend the trend to move many features to modules. 

To do some serious testing, my team & I will install the CVS on our
server. How often is the demo site updated from the CVS?

Thanks!!!!!

M ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: tut...@li...
[mailto:tut...@li...] On Behalf Of Gero
Kohnert
Sent: December 16, 2002 3:45 AM
To: tut...@li...
Subject: Re: [TUTOS-devel] release / Frustrated

Good morning,

> When should we expect a release including the new layout engine?

If it is ready :-)

I will release the new 1.1 stuff if I'm sure that there are no major
problems. This will require a intensive testing by a lot of users.
Everybody is invited to checkout the latest CVS release and test it.
For those who are not willing to try it on their own system a online
demo
is available here: http://www.tutos.org/devel/php

As soon as I'm happy with the codebase I will make a beta release and
some
time later a official one.
The reason for this more restrictive testing is simple:
I'm currenlty the only one who is making support and bugfixing in TUTOS,
and I does not have enough time and not willing to support a
unfinsihed/untested software. Does this sound a little bit frustrated ?
Yes ! I'm a bit disappointed with the userbase of TUTOS. Everybody is
crying for help  support features but nobody besides me is willing to
help
or support. Is TUTOS too complicated andI'm the only one who understands
who things are working ? Does nobody understand the principles of OSS ?

So please help to make TUTOS more succesful !

Gero

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Mailinglisten wrote:

>Hallo Gero,
>
>nun gegen Jahresende ist immer viel zu tun, dennoch w=FCrde ich Dich
>bitten, einen Testplan in die Mailingliste zu posten, wo man sich
>verschiedene Teile rauspicken kann - einzelne Module zum Beispiel.
>Gerne helfe ich dann.
>
>Vielleicht hast Du etwas derartiges ja schon geschrieben und ich habe
>es hier einfach gegen /dev/null kopiert, dann schick mir doch einfach
>die URL und entschulige meine Unaufmerksamkeit ;-).
>
>Falls wir uns nicht mehr "lesen", w=FCnsche ich Dir ein paar sch=F6ne
>Weihnachtstage und ein gesundes Jahr 2003.
>
>Markus
>
>ps. dann mach ich jetzt erst mal ein "cvs update" im Testzweig.
>
Sorry, but this email should go to Gero directly...


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Gero Kohnert wrote:

>Good morning,
>
>
>>When should we expect a release including the new layout engine?
>
>
>If it is ready :-)
>
>I will release the new 1.1 stuff if I'm sure that there are no major
>problems. This will require a intensive testing by a lot of users.
>Everybody is invited to checkout the latest CVS release and test it.
>For those who are not willing to try it on their own system a online dem=
o
>is available here: http://www.tutos.org/devel/php
>
>As soon as I'm happy with the codebase I will make a beta release and so=
me
>time later a official one.
>The reason for this more restrictive testing is simple:
>I'm currenlty the only one who is making support and bugfixing in TUTOS,=

>and I does not have enough time and not willing to support a
>unfinsihed/untested software. Does this sound a little bit frustrated ?
>Yes ! I'm a bit disappointed with the userbase of TUTOS. Everybody is
>crying for help  support features but nobody besides me is willing to he=
lp
>or support. Is TUTOS too complicated andI'm the only one who understands=

>who things are working ? Does nobody understand the principles of OSS ?
>
>So please help to make TUTOS more succesful !
>
>Gero
>
Hallo Gero,

nun gegen Jahresende ist immer viel zu tun, dennoch w=FCrde ich Dich
bitten, einen Testplan in die Mailingliste zu posten, wo man sich
verschiedene Teile rauspicken kann - einzelne Module zum Beispiel.
Gerne helfe ich dann.

Vielleicht hast Du etwas derartiges ja schon geschrieben und ich habe
es hier einfach gegen /dev/null kopiert, dann schick mir doch einfach
die URL und entschulige meine Unaufmerksamkeit ;-).

Falls wir uns nicht mehr "lesen", w=FCnsche ich Dir ein paar sch=F6ne
Weihnachtstage und ein gesundes Jahr 2003.

Markus

ps. dann mach ich jetzt erst mal ein "cvs update" im Testzweig.

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Good morning,

> When should we expect a release including the new layout engine?

If it is ready :-)

I will release the new 1.1 stuff if I'm sure that there are no major
problems. This will require a intensive testing by a lot of users.
Everybody is invited to checkout the latest CVS release and test it.
For those who are not willing to try it on their own system a online demo
is available here: http://www.tutos.org/devel/php

As soon as I'm happy with the codebase I will make a beta release and some
time later a official one.
The reason for this more restrictive testing is simple:
I'm currenlty the only one who is making support and bugfixing in TUTOS,
and I does not have enough time and not willing to support a
unfinsihed/untested software. Does this sound a little bit frustrated ?
Yes ! I'm a bit disappointed with the userbase of TUTOS. Everybody is
crying for help  support features but nobody besides me is willing to help
or support. Is TUTOS too complicated andI'm the only one who understands
who things are working ? Does nobody understand the principles of OSS ?

So please help to make TUTOS more succesful !

Gero

-- 
http://www.tutos.org

Hi!

When should we expect a release including the new layout engine?

--
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tutos/tutos/php/layout/la
yout_base.pinc
"Started new layout engine mechanism for page creation: Pages that are
displayed to the end user are now objects that extends a preloaded
layout object. The type of the layout object is configurable and may
change. So it will be possible to have classical layout
(layout/classic_layout.pinc) or other layouts that for example may have
the navigation somewhere else.
Work will continue !"
--

Thanks!!


M ;-)

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  How do I do this? I use jpilot and looked at syncal-0.8.7 but wasn't very
successful. I have an ICAL file and I don't know what to do with it :)



  Thanks

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  Hi! I have a question about permitions.

  I belong to Team A and to Team B. There are some things that I want Team
A to access but it doesn't make sense for Team B.  However, if ( someone in
Team B chooses "all you can see", he sees those appointments. I don't want
that to happen. Is there any way to avoid that?

  Thanks

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Hi, 
do you still want to find a developer for a java or a qt front end ? do you 
know exactly what you are looking for ?

Thierry

When I go to Products, then go to Statistics,
I see the following graphs.

State
Finished Ongoing Acquisition

Classification 1
Software

Classification 2
North Region

Manager

M. kikutani G. Kohnert L. Torvalds

Now I change the language to Japanese,
I can see only managers' name correctly.
Other graph titles, such as Finished, Ongoing, etc.. look as
strange characters.

I tried Chinese. This time, Software and North Region look good.
But Finished, Ongoing, and Acquisition look still strange.

Why are these affected by the language setting ?

makoto

-- 
Kikutani, Makoto

Hi,

Recently I'm playing with phpGroupware, which is arguably a rival of TUTOS.
I still prefer TUTOS because it best fits for engineering.

But I found phpGroupware has a few good points which TUTOS is lacking.

For example, phpGroupware can change date-time format by user-setting.
In Japan, year/month/date is common. I know TUTOS can change date format
in many places according to language setting. But in some place, the date format
seems fixed, such as in advanced search. I'd like to change these by user-setting.

More serious problem for localization is the order of given-name and surname.
Surname comes first in Japan. Obviously this order is fixed in the code and
thus I cannot change. I'd really appreciate if I can change this order
by user-setting.

Actually even phpGroupware cannot change this name order. Therefore, some Japanese
people wrote a patch. 

makoto
-- 
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Op vrijdag 29 november 2002 09:28, schreef Jeroen Baten:
>
> > [ML] Any opinion on OSSuite (Nola + osCommerce + CRM)
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ossuite/
>
> I am downloading it now.
>

Okay, I had a short look at ossuite. It looks very powerfull.
It has three components:
1-a webshop: oscatalog
2-a small erp module: oserp
3-a setup front: osadmin

So it is great for setting up a webshop. It is not so good for all the things 
Tutos does, like bugreports, teams, etc. Also the TUTOS user rights are more 
elaborate.

It is not capable of making a printout of an invoice, something I am working 
on right now for TUTOS using xml/xsl-fo.

please correct me if I am wrong.

greets all,

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